Curse

Swinging Fists · Jul 15, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Res Ipsi

I can't help but think ANet purposely added the 5k xP bonus for capping elites as an option for those going after this title. How else is one expected to earn over a gazillion (I exaggerate, of course) xP to earn this title?

I think the 5k xp was added to help with getting skill points. And Gaile said the devs wanted the titles to be extremely difficult to get, so with Legendary Survivor, it looks like mission accomplished.

samifly · Jul 15, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

...would you scream at me if I say I don't call survivors who gained MOST of his EXP from skill-capping as "those who play the game well"?

Capping a skill is hardly diffrent from getting a quest reward. unless thats cheating too. but then it would be impossible to get without lots of powerleveling.

cR4zY-n^ · Jul 15, 2006, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by lightblade

is all the survivers rangers and warriors? any caster that's survivor?

My monk and bro's Rit (channeler!) is at ~609k exp. Stay tuned.

arkadiusz · Jul 15, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

That specific example: there were few players to choose from anyway. Why should I and others spend ages getting a group together, to risk it with someone who might quit when things might go wrong? PUGs fair enough it's expected there's a chance that there will be quitters etc. that comes with the territory. I think due to the inherently self centred title (not calling you selfish, but this title very easily leads to the survivor being out for number 1 only) in my opinion increases the chances that person's going to quit when things get dangerous.
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ah. i see what your problem is.

there are more modes of play in gw/pve than always going with full guild/pug parties. you can play the entire game with henchmen only, and the game design explicitely takes that into account by slightly modifying the missions when you are the only human player (but you probably won't manage to get all bonus/master with henchmen only).

personally i usually prefer to go with henchmen, this allows me to explore and adventure at my own pace, stop to guild-chat, get a coffee or whatever whenever i want, and generally not be annoyed by incompetent or rude players in my group.

i think it's obvious that survivors and random pugs don't mix. a survivor needs to know that to expect from party members, some people picked up on local chat just won't do. the few times when i grouped with other players we had an understanding that i might bail out to save the title. that was necessary only once though, and only after finishing the quest objective.

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Originally Posted by Talon one

obviously, his build does not suck - or he wouldnt have survived over 150 hours while capping 124 elite skills

you make whatever build is best to cap whatever skill you are after. and, if you go after the max survivor title, you dont want to buy a lot of skills because you need every skillpoint for cap signets.

exactly. other than elite skills, i have only questable skills and heal spring on that character.

but even with all skills, i don't see the need to change anything in that build. it's not a damage ranger, it's a defensive build. the flame trap is good to scatter mobs, heal spring helps keep henchmen and quest npcs alive, interrupts prevent lots of damage. there are other stances than whirling, but whirling also has that slight scattering effect. usually there would be a rez instead of read the wind there, but in that screenshot it was just a five-minutes-walk out of lutgardis. i used broad head arrow as my elite vs some of the more dangerous elementalists in cantha, and savage shot instead of punishing until i captured that.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

...would you scream at me if I say I don't call survivors who gained MOST of his EXP from skill-capping as "those who play the game well"?

not at all. everybody has his own criteria for evidence of good play.

also, if you check the screenshot, my ranger got 717874 exp from questing, misisons and kills; and 620000 exp from elites.

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Originally Posted by samifly

Capping a skill is hardly diffrent from getting a quest reward. unless thats cheating too. but then it would be impossible to get without lots of powerleveling.

exactly. the elite capture reward basically added 180 major quests to the game, ranging in difficulty from the trivial (walk a dozen steps out of a town in cantha) to the insanely frustrating (basically everything after dragon's lair in tyria).

my ranger has done all or most quests in tyria (from kryta onwards), kaineng and jade sea. the remaining quests in echovald and the remaining bonus/master rewards might yield another 200k or so. after that, without the rewards, i would have had no choice than start farming or doing repeatable quests for more exp.

studentochaos · Jul 15, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Hey I am a big fan of this thread. I just started my furture legendary survivor ranger by hench only for the second time. First time I got to 700k and got lazy.........

Really to be honest I dont think this is all that crazy. At times hard and at times stressful, but not impossible.

BTW I largely approve of your build. Whirling, trolls, read the wind and two interrupts is the perfect survivor bar IMHO. People who don't understand how interrupt rangers work or who aren't very good with them would not understand how powerful this is in both offense and defense.

A_Muppet · Jul 15, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by arkadiusz

myth: survivors have been powerleveled or dragged along by their guildies.

truth: there are at least some of us out there who would rather just play the game well.

Sadly, for every one like you, there's *far* more who've been rushed via guilds. That being said; nice work there mate!

Saix The Spartan · Jul 16, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Truth: Survivors bail on there team when there in trouble....
Earning Survivor proves your a good bailer or/and you've been power leveled.

arkadiusz · Jul 16, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Saix The Spartan

Truth: Survivors bail on there team when there in trouble....
Earning Survivor proves your a good bailer or/and you've been power leveled.

"their", "they're", "you're". you'd be a much better troll if you learned to spell.

Grasping Darkness · Jul 16, 2006, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by lightblade

is all the survivers rangers and warriors? any caster that's survivor?

five characters have to be entered for post..unless anet can nerf it somehow
saix the spartan...im not gonna get banned and say what i want to you...ever hear of prot spirit or healing and henchys and taking your time without rushing, frenzy and aggroing everything?

Lost my chance at second lvl survivor when i went into a mission with other people for the first time in vizunah square. decided to heal with another monk and we had 2 aggromaster mana eating wanna be tank assassins...im still mad about it

The milk shake · Jul 16, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

fact, most survivors bought the title lol just look at the service area in trade menu, many survivor title power levelers

Saix The Spartan · Jul 16, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by arkadiusz

"their", "they're", "you're". you'd be a much better troll if you learned to spell.

Troll???? Wtf i'm no troll, and what's the problem if i don't care bout spelling on a forum...

Novalon · Jul 16, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by Saix The Spartan

Troll???? Wtf i'm no troll, and what's the problem if i don't care bout spelling on a forum...

If you do not spell correctly, no one will take you seriously.

That being said, as a Survivor, I refute all rediculous claims as to being power levelled, though the henchies are to blame as my levellers at times.

Bailing? Only when rezzing everyone is suicide. In which case a quit is necessary.

Think about it, it makes sense.

Silent Kitty · Jul 16, 2006, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by Novalon

If you do not spell correctly, no one will take you seriously.

Good people take everybody seriously. Even as that other person is less intelligent as they are.

Survivor level 3 takes some effort. Even if it took you a whole lot of money, you still worked hard for it. Respect!

Kaguya · Jul 16, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by Novalon

If you do not spell correctly, no one will take you seriously.

So everyone who isn't native English speaker shouldn't be taken seriously, because they have some grammatical mistakes?

Anyways, on topic, I have survivor title that I earned, and I keep it on. And I have died some 300+ times, sooo... Suppose it's the generalization again.

Ohwell, atleast it's easy to turn off so people won't avoid my charas due to the title.

arkadiusz · Jul 16, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

Good people take everybody seriously. Even as that other person is less intelligent as they are.

disagree. a perusal of the last posts of the poster in question reveals that he has little worthwhile to say.

or are you saying that everybody should take every unsupported opinion and generalization as fact?

taking the village idiot seriously pulls the entire village down to his level.

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

So everyone who isn't native English speaker shouldn't be taken seriously, because they have some grammatical mistakes?

where do you get the idea that that isn't a native speaker? my first assumption was of a mentally lazy native speaker, which the poster in question affirmed in his followup. most non-native speakers will make an effort to write correctly, to not sound stupider than they are.

Silent Kitty · Jul 16, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by arkadiusz

disagree. a perusal of the last posts of the poster in question reveals that he has little worthwhile to say.

or are you saying that everybody should take every unsupported opinion and generalization as fact?

taking the village idiot seriously pulls the entire village down to his level.

where do you get the idea that that isn't a native speaker? my first assumption was of a mentally lazy native speaker, which the poster in question affirmed in his followup. most non-native speakers will make an effort to write correctly, to not sound stupider than they are.

Your arrogance makes it hard to respect you.

Can we get back on topic again?

Loralai · Jul 16, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

I did a mission with a Mesmer yesterday wearing an "Indomitable Survivor" title. The guy was spectacular, and most certainly never died. He was not hanging out in the back, in fact he was pretty much the intregal part of our team, being that he was soloing the spirit portals.

He most certainly changed my perspective on those who wear Survivor tags and how they play.

Skyy High · Jul 16, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

You can easily tell the difference between an AOL-kiddie native English speaker that just doesn't care about how he types, and a non-native speaker who is trying.

Kaguya, that wasn't a racist comment and you know it. It was badly worded, but the intention is clear if you're not trying to troll up an argument.

The fact is, you cannot make fun of someone or in any way diminish their accomplishments if you don't make a decent attempt to use proper grammar. You just look like an immature little kid nagging away for no reason at all, and that's the truth.

Hell Marauder · Jul 16, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Loralai

I did a mission with a Mesmer yesterday wearing an "Indomitable Survivor" title. The guy was spectacular, and most certainly never died. He was not hanging out in the back, in fact he was pretty much the intregal part of our team, being that he was soloing the spirit portals.

He most certainly changed my perspective on those who wear Survivor tags and how they play.

The fact is, those who proudly display their survivor title most likely have died and cannot progress any further, so the paranoid about their quitting mission is just silly. There are two types of ppl displaying survivor titles in town: either have died, or just don't want to be bothered with annoying PUG invites. And in general, survivor players are a notch above the rest, because I've seen many ppl wanting to get that title but just couldn't. Even those with guildies help, they wouldn't get help like that if they weren't good players with some status within their own guilds.

Monkey Blonde · Jul 17, 2006, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by lightblade

is all the survivers rangers and warriors? any caster that's survivor?

You mean, like an elementalist ?